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Monday, February 05, 2007


Astrolgy is an attempt by humans to interpret and correlate planetary actions with human existence.
Are the Zodiac signs credible - do you believe that personality traits can be predicted by scientific principles, our future being determined by various celestial movements?
Do you believe that stuff?
"You will fight for just or humanitarian causes. You tend to be rather independent and must be free to do your own thing. You may become very rebelllious when angry. You are quite innovative when it comes to problem-solving. You would probably do well working in the field of electronics or engineering, working with computers or machinery of any kind. You want to make a special c ontribution to humanity. You march to a different drum and dance to your own tune.Most likely,you would also make a good social worker or therapist."
Does anyone recognize this Blogger?
No - it's not me - I'm a technical nightmare!!
"As a rule, you are a sunny, adventurous, outgoing individual. "Don't tie me down"-you are one of the original free spirits.Curious and forthright, you constantly seek knowledge to expand your world view. You need to be careful as to how you present your information, realizing that an attitude or idea is not necessarily right just because someone says it is."...........................
Yeah - a typical Saggitarius

Let's hear it - do you believe this stuff, do you think it is crap -
And last week, I went to a Physic, who did lots of very strange things, and ultimately read my left palm. He saw two children there, saying I should have had three.
He did not read my right palm - guess that's where my other two kids were hiding!!!
Don't have much faith in that medium!!!


Blogger Nicole said...


My friend once took me to a psychic...I didn't learn anything all that interesting, but my friend was told that within the next 6 months her life would drastically change, but that in the end her and her daughter would be fine...key words...her and her daughter

My friend's husband dropped dead almost 6 months to the day, while they were on vacation at the lake. He had turned 37 a week before his death, was pretty fit and never smoked. It turns out he had a fluke in his heart...

this happened July, 2004. I am still waiting for my friend to be ok...sometimes I wonder if she ever will.

I am a you think the "taurus personna" suits me, MMCA??? :)

10:25 AM, February 05, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...

Nocole -
Altho the psychic did not find my two other children, he did reveal that I would come into some money, a substantial amount in the near future. So, before I demean his powers again, I have to admit that I received a check(U.S.spelling) last week,an insurance policy buy-out which took place several years ago,and just recently came to fruition. That was nice, unexpected,and while I can't buy that red Mustang convertible, I can now pay the insurance on it!!
And my 'secret' question was answered in the affirmative, I asked if I would get off this damn medication,a shot everyday for severe osteoporosis, and that also became fact. So, shame on me -
guess I'll have to say, "I'm a believer"!!
TAURUS - ohhhhhhhhhhh ohhhhhhhhhhh
Most professional musicians are born under this sign -
Are you a little but stubborn, just a bit? You've always got the Sun in your sign. Is that good?
I recently had a 'Natal' chart drawn up - that is so complicated, I lost interest - but I can tell you I am a typical Sagittarius to the point that I have to say - Yeah - I'm a believer!No Tauruses in my immediate family, so you will have to tell me about them.
MCA :-)


1:07 PM, February 05, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...

Sorry about the typo -
Nicole - I am such a psycho in typing, perfection is out of the question!!

1:10 PM, February 05, 2007  
Blogger grasshopper said...

I have a friend who is all in to it. He tried to persuade me too but to me it was soooo unreal. Couple of years ago I got a birthday card from him, you know those kind with description of zodiac sign, “The Capricorn” stood on it and underneath a hell of a long text. After reading it several times I couldn’t believe it, I actually phoned him and asked if he made the card by himself, thinking he knew me best, but he just laughed and said “no man, bought it in a gift store, why? Bulls eye, right?”
Astonishing, the whole my personality put on the piece of paper for everybody to see.
I still count myself as not a believer although…the card…I don’t know…It’s too much. Who knows? :-)

4:06 PM, February 05, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...

I recognized JAY immediately -
I bet he takes little spiders outside,and shows them the way home. I wonder if he is a Math wizard. Or is he musically inclined.
Still, I bet he would have fun with the battery operated racquet (looks like a mini tennis racquet),designed to fry anything that comes in contact with its wire strings. Or maybe not!!
Is he a true Aquarian??

4:22 PM, February 05, 2007  
Blogger Nicole said...

I don't know MMCA, we'll have to ask him, although I have a hunch that spiders are safe in his presence...:)

now as for those battery operated rackets, I can tell you that they sting like a Son of a BEE

last summer my one brother and I gave each other a swat with one.
This summer, even though we do not have a dog, I am thinking of buying one of those collars that gives a shock when you bark...I mean if it's humane for poor dogs, then surely my brother deserves to wear one for a while!!! :)

I'll get back to you about the Taurus traits, I have to look some up and compare notes!!! lol

4:30 PM, February 05, 2007  
Blogger ANNA-LYS said...

I know it is classical ... but I am sure it is in the eye of the beholder. You can turn anything into an "understanding" of that you ARE ... but all living creatures are in constant change. Meaning ... there is not such thing as "a personality", in logic with that follows ... there are no "zodiac traits" either ... :-)

But, to believe is also important for the human soul and identity ... so I guess ... we get what we need ... some believe on stars others on religion .... when will we start to believe in humanity?

(( hug ))

8:32 PM, February 05, 2007  
Blogger Crabgrass said...

MMCA, how do you know so much about Aquarians?

I can tell you that Nicole is insanely stubborn. I posted a beautiful Lamb recipe at her place, but she wants the Creamy Chicken Korma. Lambs are too cute. To be fair, the Chicken Korma is what I had promised to post. She also needs the rice recipe (rather fancy, with cashews, pistacchios and raisins). Typing these things out almost kills a person.

Anyway, I would never admit to believing too strongly in all the Zodiac business, but I read my horoscope every morning, and I'm sure that my mood shifts ever so slightly depending on the tone of the forecast. Of course if I don't like it, I'll try another paper, and take the better of the two. And maybe a third, if the first two look too bleak.

Anna-Lys, can we be in constant change but in posession of some consistent underlying tendencies? I've always been silly.

12:32 AM, February 06, 2007  
Anonymous FANCY said...

Zodiak signs live our life after the stars. We can shure learn a loth from the stars. A circel of little animals way up in the sky, tell us what we are and what we will be if we are born in a special sign...*s*... When I am buying a gossip paper I allways loke if there are any horoscopes I have to admit that..."Blush"...*LOL*

10:11 AM, February 06, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...

There's something going on here -
The old question,'Is it nature, or nurture' now enters the equation.
I have four children, Aquarius,Virgo-(born on the cusp of Leo) and two Scorpios (pray for me)! We shared a modestly attractive home,they grew up together, sharing equally in the quality of life (altho the boys got motorcycles,the girls cheering them on) - the point being they are as different today as day and night-on a scale of 1 to 10, they are all over the board. WHY?
We may have many different opinions on this - mine being -
we all have specific,inborn traits that travel with us throughout life,and while I acknowledge that my parenting skills certainly had an impact on my children, they belong to themselves, and have unique characteristics that are their own.
I can tell you that my Zodiac profile is acurate, for instance, I do not, in any way, think like a Leo, Scorpio,or Pisces.
So, I guess I'm a believer!
But I'm open to controversial comments.

11:44 AM, February 06, 2007  
Blogger Crabgrass said...

MMCA said... "...the point being they are as different today as day and night-on a scale of 1 to 10, they are all over the board..."

Hmm. Who's your favourite?

1:59 PM, February 06, 2007  
Blogger Nicole said...

well I went a-googling and found out some interesting stuff:

Taurus About Your Sign...
The Taurean's characteristics are solidity, practicality, extreme determination and strength of will - no one will ever drive them, but they will willingly and loyally follow a leader they trust. They are stable, balanced, conservative good, law-abiding citizens and lovers of peace, possessing all the best qualities of the bourgeoisie. As they have a sense of material values and physical possessions, respect for property and a horror of falling into debt, they will do everything in their power to maintain the security of the status quo and be somewhat hostile to change.

Mentally, they are keen-witted and practical more often than intellectual, but apt to become fixed in their opinions through their preference for following accepted and reliable patterns of experience. Their character is generally dependable, steadfast, prudent, just, firm and unshaken in the face of difficulties. Their vices arise from their virtues, going to extremes on occasion,such as sometimes being too slavish to the conventions they admire.

On rare occasions a Taurean may be obstinately and exasperatingly self-righteous, unoriginal, rigid, ultraconservative, argumentative, querulous bores, stuck in a self-centered rut. They may develop a brooding resentment through nursing a series of injuries received and, whether their characters are positive or negative, they need someone to stroke their egos with a frequent, "Well Done!" Most Taureans are not this extreme though.

They are faithful and generous friends with a great capacity for affection, but rarely make friends with anyone outside their social rank, to which they are ordinarily excessively faithful. In the main, they are gentle, even tempered, good natured, modest and slow to anger, disliking quarreling and avoiding ill-feeling. If they are provoked, however, they can explode into violent outbursts of ferocious anger in which they seem to lose all self-control. Equally unexpected are their occasional sallies into humor and exhibitions of fun.

Although their physical appearance may belie it, they have a strong aesthetic taste, enjoying art, for which they may have a talent, beauty (recoiling from anything sordid or ugly) and music. They may have a strong, sometimes unconventional, religious faith. Allied to their taste for all things beautiful is a love for the good things of life pleasure, comfort, luxury and good food and wine and they may have to resist the temptation to over indulgence, leading to drunkenness, gross sensuality, and covetousness.

In their work, Taureans are industrious and good craftspeople, and are not afraid of getting their hands dirty. They are reliable, practical, methodical and ambitious, within a framework of obedience to superiors. They are at their best in routine positions of trust and responsibility, where there is little need of urgency and even less risk of change, and a pension at the end. Yet they are creative and good founders of enterprises where the rewards of their productiveness come from their own work and not that of others.
They can flourish in many different trades and professions: banking, architecture, building, almost any form of bureaucracy, auctioneering, farming, medicine, chemistry, industry Taureans make good managers and foremen surveying, insurance, education and, perhaps surprisingly, music and sculpture. They make an ideal trustee or guardian, and can attain eminence as a chef. Some Taureans are gifted enough in singing to become opera stars or to excel in more popular types of music.

They are more than averagely amorous and sensually self-conscious, but sexually straightforward and not given to experiment. They make constant, faithful, home loving spouses and thoughtful, kindly parents, demanding too much of neither their spouses nor children. They can be over possessive and may sometimes play the game of engineering family roles for the pleasure of making up the quarrel. If anyone offends their amour proper they can be a determined enemy, though magnanimous in forgiveness if their opponent makes an effort to meet them halfway.

No other sign in the zodiac is closer to earth then Taurus. The main objective in leading a Taurean life is primarily (though not entirely) to maintain stability and physical concerns. Your inner spiritual sense longs for earthly harmony and wholesomeness. When you fully understand this, and work toward this end, you will no longer need to blindly reassure yourself with external possessions and comforts. A realization that finding this inner peace will cause all of the above mentioned positive things will overtake you and your life will be very full.

Ultimately the Taurean needs to discover their truest, deepest and highest values. When they know what is truly valuable, they are no longer chained to people and to things that have to do with lesser values. The greatest indication of value to a Taurean is beauty, which cannot be owned, only appreciated.

Last but not least it says that Venus is my ruling planet...
Hey Crabby, remember that rhyme..go to venus to get know the drill!

Ps...if I had been one of MMCA's blood children, we all know who would be her favourite child...ahem, cough cough!!!

3:50 PM, February 06, 2007  
Blogger Nicole said...

they may have to resist the temptation to over indulgence, leading to drunkenness, gross sensuality, and covetousness.

why hadn't I come across this sooner???
ahhhh, gotta have stories to tell the future grandkids I guess!!!!


3:51 PM, February 06, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...

'Who's your favourite?'
Are you being politically correct here-do you really want an answer?
OK - it changes on a daily basis.
Whoever needs me the most on any given day,the one who is on a roller coaster ride into the depths of despair,the one who can't quite get it together,the one who's heart is broken - that is my favorite! And you have all been there at one time or another -
so it is safe to say - today, you can be my special child - nobody needs me at this time!!!!

I do know a lot about Aquarians,they are extremely intellectual,musically inclined, quick learners,love mathematics, dance to their own private drummer.
Can you add anything to this list?

And I totally agree with you in regards to our changing everyday, but at the same time, keeping intact our personal traits, our identity. Living is changing, and it is a progressive pattern called 'life'!
So - since you check out your
horoscope daily, it is safe to say that you put some credence into this matter.

5:38 PM, February 06, 2007  
Blogger NB said...

Astrology is false science. No one has ever proved the relation between the stars' movement and the individual life. Why should there be a connection? It is unlikely.
Kepler and Newton explained the motion of celestial bodies, rather good. (But Kepler also made horoskopes to earn his living. Newton predicted the end of the world. Two scientists creating "non-science". How hard it is! You have to understand yourself. You can not vote for someone to accomplish your thoughts.)
I am a rat.

5:57 PM, February 06, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...

BRAVO NICOLE - My Taurus friend ...
Now - the question is - are the facts accurate to the point, that you can say, "Yeah -- that's me"

Now Anna-lys -
I understand from your comments, that you are not a believer in Astrology. You have a tremendous capacity for understanding human nature, perhaps you could share some of your ideas with us, thus allowing us to contemplate this issue further.

What do you think? Are you a Pisces? Your gentle nature, and not wanting confrontation reminds me of my favorite sister,a Pisces.
When you think of all the scientific geniuses - Plato,Hippocrates,Posidonius,
Aristotle, all of whom devoted a part of their life to the study of Astrology - you do have to wonder!!
Oh yes Nicole -
For certain you would be my favorite, if only the fates had co-operated!!

6:56 PM, February 06, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...

NB -
Good points - BUT --
John Dryden - 1631-1700
Poet and astrologer. Buried in Westminster Abbey.
Calculated precisely various accidents in the life of his son Charles and also his death by drowning in the Thames. Also, the time and manner of his own death, through a burn on his leg.............
John Flamsteed - 1646-1719
First Astronomer Royal. He prepared an election map,which exists to this day, for the time of the laying of the foundation stone of Greenwich Observatory, the lasting reputation of which is a fine testimony to the value of such maps.................
You do not buy ' Astrologers found a key to a person's whole life in his horoscope, the disposition of the planets at his birth'.
Are you saying it is a 'belief'that the stars influence
the entire sublunar world-not fact?
This is an interesting point of view - not mine, but interesting.
I'm afraid I still want to read my horoscope, and know what the day has in store for me.
MCA and 'kram'!

8:38 PM, February 06, 2007  
Blogger Crabgrass said...

Nicole (the unmitigated gall) said:
"Ps...if I had been one of MMCA's blood children, we all know who would be her favourite child...ahem, cough cough!!!"

You must be pretty sweet. There's some fierce competition.


12:31 AM, February 07, 2007  
Blogger FANCY said...



9:59 AM, February 07, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...

FANCY .....
I think you are a Pisces or a Libra.
Are you going to divulge your astrological identity?

2:28 PM, February 07, 2007  
Blogger ANNA-LYS said...

You are pulling my legs lol :-)

I would say that sillyness is a habit, learned through relatedness to significant Others ... something that works for you like an igniting-spark to start a dialogue. You see! You succeed again ;-)

LOL ...
It is a simple way of thinking ...
It is never "the Other" or "myself" it is always in between ... everything takes place between us.

Isn't there special personalities? Yes, in a way, but from a salutogenetic (non-pathological) point of view it is not by birth or stars in the sky ... it is by learning through experiences. A child that becomes "a clown" in school or work are created by the responsibility a child takes for living with either a "preset non-present" mother (will develop a senses of non-existence in the childs core-self) or with a depressed mother (will develop senses of must "light" all the time).
This is not personality traits ... it is the human brains plasticity ... learning the needs of the Others and a great survival tool!

An autistic child is thereby not looked upon as pathological, instead it is a remarkable way to survive in the surroundings. This interactions starts in the womb and have an neurological impact on the architectural creation of the brain. Meaning autistic children are always a result of interplay ... but, not necessarily with the parents. It can be bacterial, alcohol, drugs and so on. The brain is more plastic the younger we are and always able to reshape (if we stop "putting" people into boxes and label them with diagnosis).

references: Matvrana & Varela, Daniel N. Stern, C. Trevarthen, myself etc

Have a lovely interplay this weekend ;-)

(( hugs ))

4:11 AM, February 09, 2007  
Blogger Nicole said...

I just found out that not only is Crabby an Aquarius...but married to one as well!
What's it like, having two Aquarius' under the same roof?
If they march to the beat of their own drums, does it get a little noisy with all those drums pounding all the time?

2:13 PM, February 09, 2007  
Blogger Crabgrass said...

Nicole, what an astute observation.

I've adopted the 3-year-old child style of harmonica playing. That's where you grab any harmonica, grip it between your teeth, and just walk around all day breathing in and out of it as hard as you can. Adults get really tired of it for some reason. I think they must be overstressed.

My wife plays a Canadian Tire snare drum wherever she goes.

We don't get invited to too many parties any more, but it's bit like Mother Mary Carol Anne cultivating the crazy cat lady persona. We kind of like it that way.

9:43 AM, February 10, 2007  
Blogger NB said...

Every individual has a path to follow. The brain itself accomplish very little, but the surrondings do the job. The surroundings are celestial bodies as well as tiny fundamental particle interaction. The muons, for example, that penetrate us all the time. No one kan predict where and when, but they hit us. They are electrically charged, so they most likely have impact on the brain and our mind. Would it be apprpriate to ceate "muonopsycology", trying to explain the interaction 'muons/ human mind'? No, definitely not.

4:04 AM, February 11, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...

NB ......
Now, this is an interesting commentary - a new one for me - and one which I quite like. Let me get this straight -
We are born by chance - nothing to do with the stars
Our surroundings form the basis for our psyche - nothing to do with the stars -ok..............
Do morals come with us,into this world, or are they taught?
This is getting into some pretty serious stuff -

11:07 PM, February 12, 2007  
Anonymous grasshopper said...

As I said before I’m not much into the Zodiac so I won’t and I can’t go deep in discussion about it, unless of course I sit down and do some reading on the subject On the other hand the moral does sound interesting to discuss. I’d say morals are taught, usually by religion and regions culture. Despite the Z-sign we were born in, we follow the rules of “morality”, as we were brought up, and changing environments we most likely would change a bit of it during the adjustment period.
Grasshopper :-)

7:33 AM, February 13, 2007  
Blogger ANNA-LYS said...


I hereby interrupt for a tiny message:

Happy National Flag of Canada Day!!!

(( hugs ))

1:22 PM, February 13, 2007  
Blogger ANNA-LYS said...

and a lovely

St. Valentines Day 2 U All


6:10 PM, February 13, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...

Anna-lys ...
You are too sweet - thank you for thinking of me - and sending along the Valentine's Day wishes!!
We are in the midst of a hugh snow storm, with very high winds - may stop me from going to class to-morrow - but it sure looks beautiful!!
Hope you have a great day!
*kram* mmca

12:53 AM, February 14, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...

GRASSHOPPER ....What if, as parents, we did NOT teach our children any morals,did not subject them to any religious
affliations - would they know right from wrong, good from evil?What makes a man moral?
Alone, not associating with society, would he know?
:-) MMCA

1:09 AM, February 14, 2007  
Blogger grasshopper said...

Very good question indeed, also a tricky one in a way. If we, as parents, don’t teach our kids I guess in that case they would be forced to learn about it, on their own, on the streets (society). On the other hand, if no one is involved I’m afraid they would be acting like all animals do. With its intelligence they would have greater chance of surviving but functioning on moral bases would be equal with other animals.
If we take the stories about “Noah’s Ark” and “the ten commandments” as example; wasn’t it so that God wanted to “refresh” and free the world from immorality and wasn’t “the ten commandments” groundwork for moral?
Happy Valentine’s Day :-)

8:26 AM, February 14, 2007  
Blogger Nicole said...

Happy Valentine's Day MMCA!!!

I hope you have some lovely chocolates to nibble today!!!

10:21 AM, February 14, 2007  
Blogger Nicole said...

I had to add in my $.02 here with what you are discussing with I think it is Grasshopper.

So, when it comes to child development, to you prescribe to the "Original Sin theory, ( children were percieved as bad...born with evil

the Tabula Rasa
children are like a blank tablet and acquire their characteristics through life experiences
or Innate Goodness
children are born and are inherently good?

I am very curious by your conversations, and this might make a great next post for you MMCA!!!

We can all put on our Freudian thinking caps...I personally believe that Crabby is stuck in the Phallic Stage...he seems to have a fascination with the P word!!! :)

oh, yeah, MMCA, he has also taken to calling me the B word...I knew you wouldn't approve..... ;-)

10:30 AM, February 14, 2007  
Anonymous FANCY said...

I will now share my signs with you pleas dont tell anyone. Yes you are right I am born into the sign of pisces and I dont now what you call it but I say Ascendenten in Scorpio.
Well what do that say about me...*LOL*...

12:36 PM, February 14, 2007  
Blogger Crabgrass said...

Happy Valentine's Day, MMCA!!

Nicole?... what p word? Wiener?

I won't call you the b word any more, I promise. Harlot.

12:50 PM, February 14, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...

Ok Nicole - I'm gonna do it - but first must look into the archives of my old Catholic Doctrine Books, altho, being a 'Recovering Catholic' the words do not mean a whole lot to me.
This will be an interesting topic indeed - we have some real academics here, and no doubt will get some pretty diverse comments.
Shame on Crabby - he always loved that 'P' word, I thought he was over it, but some things never change.
Happy V Day to you!!
mmca :-)

5:17 PM, February 14, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...

Fancy -
Pisces it is!!
Oh, how well I know you - I am surrounded by Pisces.
Sensitive,extremely responsive to the feelings of others. The symbol is two attached fishes,one swimming upstream and the other downstream,implying the drastic
duality of emotions in persons born under this sign. Pisceans apparently are unable to make up their minds.
More to to follow ...'mca

5:23 PM, February 14, 2007  
Blogger grasshopper said...

I have to admit I got hooked on this subject. Last night I talked to my friend, the one “Mr. knows it all” when it comes to Astrology, and in a way he had a point there. It’s like this; I have two daughters M. and N. M. the older one (Libra) lived with me since she was two. N. (Capricorn) was raised by her mother. Now, it would be most natural that M. has my characteristics because I raised her up, but she doesn’t, N. has almost identical characteristics as I do and I am a Capricorn. Coincidence? To be honest with you that made me wonder. I guess it’s a time to get some readings on it. :-)

9:15 AM, February 15, 2007  
Blogger Nicole said... it would seem that nature does have something to do with a perosn's traits\flaws\habits etc, along with nurture.

I definitely agree...yes we will be products of our environments, but somethings are born with us as well!!

12:39 PM, February 15, 2007  
Blogger ANNA-LYS said...


I think your arguments for Zodiacs as our creators is very interesting ... but it is an inbuilt bias from my point of view (The Interpersonal and Ecological view).

May I use your example as a ground for an explanation from an other angle? Thank You!

When You (and all we other) chose a partner, we are searching for "things" we do not have ourselves. C.G. Jung did discuss this early ... as a way to "complete us" ... to become "more" (sorry my Swenglish doesn't cover here).

If you and your partner separates, and you have two daughters. The one that lives with you will try to complete you, meaning be most like your former partner. The other daughter will probably be what your former partner found in You and lost when You separated.

This is today described as the "Theory of Autopoiesis" (self-productive within its system (family)).

What do You think about such an non-zodiactic explanation?


1:57 PM, February 15, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...

OK - In my family there are three sisters, five years between each of us!! Raised in a very Catholic environment, same parents, same moral values. WHAT HAPPENED???
The fact that we are so different in so many ways leaves one to question the 'nurture' philosophy!!
'Nature' seems to have stepped in, taking control of personalities,in all aspects of daily living.
THEREFORE - I cannot accept the opinion that our surroundings, our exposure to situations dictate who we will become.
And then do we question "BIRTH ORDER" - DOES THAT HAVE AN IMPACT
Does that enter the equation???
Back to the books for me -
The "Theory of Autopoiesis" presented by Anna-lys is new to me,so I cannot intelligently comment on it - but I will look into it, and hopefully come to a better understanding!!
MMCA :-)

4:20 PM, February 15, 2007  
Blogger ANNA-LYS said...

Is a theory developed by the two Chilean neurophysicans Matvrana & Varela. They received the Nobel Prize 1978 for their theory of how all living creatures develops within closed systems.
It is an evidence-based and understandable theory, and empirical and clinical used within interpersonal and ecological developmental psychology.


4:58 PM, February 15, 2007  
Blogger ANNA-LYS said...

May I recommend some easy read non-zodiac based books grounded in the theory of Autopoiesis, a bridge (over trouble water) between Psychoanalysis and Developmental Psychology?

Stern, Daniel N.
1. "The Interpersonal World ...",
2. "Diary of a Baby",
3. "Motherhood Constellation ..",
4. "The First Relationship ..."
5. "The Birth of a Mother .."
6. "Present Moment ..."

(( hug ))

6:01 PM, February 15, 2007  
Blogger ANNA-LYS said...

This topics are sooo bloody interesting :-)


How does moral come "into" us?
Not by Zodiacs!
Not by Church!

Morality is an inter-subjective relatedness, learned through Others way of "meeting" You (intonation, to attune). Children don't do as You say, but as You do! Around the age of 13 an adolescent can "walk" against "cultural (learned) morality", emotional knowing the expressed morality is wrong. This level of morality-development is described since the 50:th. The highest level of emotional competence (emotional intelligence EI) is altruism. Some folks never reach that level in society of today, I am afraid.

(Shall try to shut my mouth ... no promises given ... lol )

5:17 AM, February 16, 2007  
Blogger ANNA-LYS said...

sorry ...

According to newer empirical research I have to change the age of 13:th towards the pre-adolecence (9). Terrified if this might have any connection towards children of today more extended suicide and suicide attempts. (Pragma: Understands to much of the underlying egoistic feelings and behaviour behind wars, parental actions etcetera.)

6:29 AM, February 16, 2007  
Blogger ANNA-LYS said...

How would you describe the difference between Moral and Ethic?

6:48 AM, February 16, 2007  
Blogger Nicole said...

Hey MMCA, I made a new thread for Chinese New Year.
Do drop in and let me know what your forcast is for 2007!

ps...I am also linking you, if that's ok!!!
Then I don't have to use Crabby to get to you anymore....although I think he likes to feel used!! :)

12:06 PM, February 16, 2007  
Blogger Crabgrass said...

Nicole said... "Then I don't have to use Crabby to get to you anymore....although I think he likes to feel used!!"

Wow. You read me like a book.
Faster, actually.

12:58 PM, February 16, 2007  
Blogger Nicole said...

hmmm, if I read you like a book, it's a good thing I don't need braille...that would mean I would have to feel you all over and try and read your "bumps"....which may lead to some inhouse squabblings....


1:07 PM, February 16, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...


I'm on New Blogger now. It did not hurt.

God bless the anaesthetic.

1:08 PM, February 16, 2007  
Blogger ANNA-LYS said...


God bless the anaesthetic.

Do You refer to my comments?


6:23 PM, February 18, 2007  
Blogger Crabgrass said...

ANNA-LYS said... (regarding anaesthetic)

"Do You refer to my comments?"

Absolutely not. You comments are poetry...

To me, "morals" suggests adherence to something almost resembling a set of rules or policies, though I would rather put that somehow more delicately.

Ethics are more subtle in my mind, and often invisible, but more "closely held".

The two notions share a lot of common ground (otherwise, making this distinction would be much easier), but if I were to be stuck on an island with somebody that posessed only one of the two, I'd prefer ethics.

11:22 PM, February 19, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...

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2:17 PM, February 20, 2007  
Blogger Mother Mary Carol Anne said...

These comments are so interesting and well stated - I don't know where to begin -
Crabby - I would agree, I would prefer ethics over morals, but can you be ethical over behavior without morals being in place?
Grasshopper - Basically, I agree with your opinion - but I still have faith in the astrological
aspects of our being -
And Anna-lys -
This is your field, and we certainly have to heed your words -based on knowledge gained and your chosen field in academia-
my at home library is being ransacked, looking for the 'Self-help' volumes, Psychology, Sociology -and relatively soon I expect to reach a monumental opinion which I will share with all of you.
Thanks for your input - I find this subject worthwhile!

2:33 PM, February 20, 2007  
Blogger NB said...

Hallo, Carol
For the moment my blue closet is empty. There were those two girls...but I let them out, long ago. If you refer to Benoit Mandelbrot: I am not sure, if he should be locked in. I have to read some papers, before I decide. What did your daughter say about him?

1:16 PM, May 01, 2007  

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